Islamic nations need to show some effort on their part to control the terrorist threat. I have nothing against Islam that I don't have against any religion, but the fact that every terrorist plan seems to be traced back to an Islamic country makes me think...."hmmm, what's wrong with these countries?" Holding "the world is prejudice against Islamic nations card" just won't work much longer. It's time for Islamic nations to take a very active role in accounting for it's peoples' actions. Being the most powerful nation in the world, I wouldn't put it past a president to look towards these increasing terrorist threats and say to the countries harboring them, "..and so why shouldn't we turn your nation into a flat glowing pancake?"
(These extreme thoughts stem from my anger at just reading the russian plane crash articles tied to a muslim extremist group.)
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I think part of the equation is that what gets called terrorism in the media at the present time is mostly Islamic terrorism. And there is plenty of that. But there's also terrorism from other sources that isn't being called terrorism. The US, among others, support terrorist groups, too. So, I agree; all countries need to support proactive and reactive strategies to address terrorism.
JimA
Agreed. The worst being the IMF & The World Bank.
good points. My statements were mainly reactionary, but I understand that media plays a role and that the IMF is holding alot of Islamic people hostage with debt. Terrorism is supposedly without country, but I believe countries are the only controlling bodies who could have an effect on controlling it.
Right on
That's about as rational as saying that the government of the US should be able to stop all crime within its borders.
I would imagine that your resonse to someone who criticizes the US crime rate would be 'Hey, we're doing what we can.' Why should it be any different when dealing with terrorists?
There is only so much that a 'government' can do. The anger of the terrorists is to some degree the same anger that Islamic leaders have. The US has not been nice. The US has supported terror and anarchy in these countries. Many of those terror recruits are people who have suffered as a result of US policies.
In effect you are saying to those people 'Get over it.' It would be more reasonable if the policies and behavior that have angered these extremists to the point where they would commit mass murder had changed.
I think that the Iraq invasion proves that they have not.
It is assuredly the responsibility of all nations in the world to do whatever they can to bring those who commit these heinous acts to justice.
Just as it is the responsibility of the world to ensure that the conditions which CREATE these extremists are ameliorated.
Take your anger and use it to make a difference. If you won't do that, you may count yourself just as guilty as the leaders of those Islamic nations and the US government.
(Hops off of soapbox and waves goodbye.)
Seems there's two types of so-called "terrorists": the New Imperialists (Bush/Cheney) where you don't actually take over (insurance hassles etc) you just rob a land blind. And then there are those who are trying to fight back.
The New Imperialists are only playing the game that most people have hired them to play. They are doing it well. One world, often called "the Real World", is like Bertrand Russell said, "Horrible, horrible, horrible." Those who "live" in this world have no morals - they think they're relative, pointless, counter-intuitive, weak. They simply take what they want and defy you to stop them: the Mafia, Bush/Cheney, etc.
Then there's people who feel the very opposite. They feel like we can somehow share and progress together, use intelligence, be resourceful, respectful, etc.
The terrorists that strike the U.S. are those who's straws have already alnded on the proverbials camel's back. They work together with the New Imperialists. Bush/Cheney couldn't have asked for a better thing to happen than 9/11. They don't give a shit about what happened. They're behind it. It works together. Fear, horror, greed...
We're in Iraq to secrure our place in the future of a dwindling resource. If we don't someone else will. The Game rages on and someone will always play - just ry to stop them. You will be fucked in every way.
But try anyway. That's the Game. Play it. Fuck back. But don't fall into the terror game, they use it to perpetuate their end. It's really fucked when you put it together.
Martin Luther King had the right idea. Defiant will and commitment to one's own standards. Fighting Fire with Water, I suppose. As opposed to the more unnatural inclination of fighting with fire? Phil's recent link to the G.K. essay comes to mind as I think about complacency's role in all of this. MLK, afterall, had to get up, stand up. He took a beating. That's a rare quality, to have a man strike you on the other cheek.
It seems like such an illusory game. Seems like all you really have to do is show up. That's a terrifying thought that the Bush/Cheney "world" happens because it is left to happen.
But you don't want to contribute to the horror by causing more horror. You must just stand in the way somehow. Shut it all down. And then comes the problems that Orwell brings up. What is it that is happening? Our we under the spell of an evil cloud; or is this life? The eternal fight, no solution.
Martin Luther King had the right idea. Defiant will and commitment to one's own standards. Fighting Fire with Water, I suppose. As opposed to the more unnatural inclination of fighting with fire? Phil's recent link to the G.K. essay comes to mind as I think about complacency's role in all of this. MLK, afterall, had to get up, stand up. He took a beating. That's a rare quality, to have a man strike you on the other cheek.
It seems like such an illusory game. Seems like all you really have to do is show up. That's a terrifying thought that the Bush/Cheney "world" happens because it is left to happen.
But you don't want to contribute to the horror by causing more horror. You must just stand in the way somehow. Shut it all down. And then comes the problems that Orwell brings up. What is it that is happening? Our we under the spell of an evil cloud; or is this life? The eternal fight, no solution.
US nationals need to show some effort on their part to control the threat of US action abroad. I have nothing against the US that I don't have against any nation, but the fact that every imperialist plan seems to be traced back to the US makes me think...."hmmm, what's wrong with that country?" Holding "the world is prejudice against US freedom card" just won't work much longer. It's time for US nationals to take a very active role in accounting for it's peoples' actions.
now ask yourself what you've done today to stop the US from invading another country. i'm not claiming to be any better than joe six-pack (in fact, call me joe), just pointing out (as "anonymous on a soapbox" did) that it's kinda silly to blame the average citizen in one of those states for terrorism at large.
I was talking about Islamic nation governments being accountable for its people's actions. Accountable is not what I'm really looking for there though. Governments should take a larger role in breaking up terrorist networks within their borders. All this is pretty naive talk from me, that as I said just stemmed from the anger of reading about the Russian plane crashes. I so wish the U.S. would have stayed on course with the fight against terrorism and gained world support. We would have been much closer to having a somewhat winnable war. I do believe I'm standing in the mucky muck of my own quickly spouted angry post on a subject I know very little about.
Our nation's war on terror should have been directed toward winning the influence of peoples in third world countries. Not that there will always be someone or some group opposed to our materialist values, we could have at least, with the aid of these countries, marginilized the anti-western attitude that is prevalent. And that attitude that is present today, we heated up because of our war with Iraq.
What we have accomplished in Iraq, has only provided extremist groups a positive example of what kind of harm our nation & values can have on innocent people. Before we were simply the boogey man, something intangible that only a few radical extremists feared. Now we are something tangible, a monster that extremists can point at to the common people & yell "See - here is the devil, you could be next!"
Not that I totallydisagree with going to war against Iraq - but the reasons were invalid. It had nothing to do with terrorism, and though I hate conspiracy theories - you have to wonder. Does having a prolonged 'terrorist threat' help the democrats or the republicans?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/09/02/space.signals.reut/index.html
i can't believe you had the nerve to criticize me for my lack of posting. - jib
Turns out it wasn't even a muslim extremist group. Boy do I feel silly.
My Goodness, though....
stick to you damned guns here, Emerson! The reason the Hard Left will never win another election for years to come is that Militant Islam ALWAYS gets a pass in these discussions, whilst the Bush/Cheney team are colored as the demon children of the Millennium.
The Hard Left forgets that terrororism was alive and well, way before this administration ever got into office. Even the most well-intentioned arbitrators, (Clinton at Oslo, the Wye Accors....Carter at Camp David) have seen their efforts ultimately sandbagged by Militant Islamists who desire nothing more than to unplug from any Western Influence, and indeed take the world back 1000 years.
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